But, when you have to resort to turntables, trick lights, flashing lights, fire and all that, you're actually saying, I need this because what I do is not all that together.

In the early fifties Rich played with Dorsey and began to perform with trumpeter Harry James an association which lasted until 1966. Well he knocked me right out.

Bernard "Buddy" Rich (September 30 1917 – April 2 1987) was an American jazz drummer and bandleader.