And, well of course, Count Basie, and I think all of the black bands of the late thirties and early forties, bands with real players. They had an influence on everybody, not just drummers.

In the early fifties Rich played with Dorsey and began to perform with trumpeter Harry James an association which lasted until 1966. Well he knocked me right out.

Bernard "Buddy" Rich (September 30 1917 – April 2 1987) was an American jazz drummer and bandleader.